The 338MXLR differs from the 338MX in that it has a longer barrel and an American black and grey laminated hardwood stock. Theres no way a Marlin employee didnt notice what I noticed when I handled them. Front site crooked, tap hole drill in the wrong position. And Henrys customer service is most excellent. Can thebrand survive four years of cranking out dreadful firearms, especially with Henry Repeating Rifles eating its breakfast, lunch and dinner? The 2007 introduction of the .308 Marlin Express, the result of a joint effort by Hornady and Marlin, brought forth a new case that could be adapted to a .338 O'Connor type cartridge. Congratulations Marlin! I can get used to how it loads. 11b6r 16,725. A tiny bit of smoothing with emery on the hammer loosened it up. How in the world they mass produced a quality product without drawings before the move is mind boggling. If I find an old Marlin in the meantime, itll go home with me. And you congratulate them for beating the naysayers. comparison, there is no comparison. Why was because this Remlins bolt would catch on the hammer on the return stroke. Hornady engineers then looked to the projectile for the new cartridge. It has never jammed. The action was not smooth and the components seemed poorly fitted and crafted. If it was something like a bent barrel, or broken action, then yeah, I would have sent it back. Its silky. $50.19. He settled on the .33. Hopefully, theyll never have a problem, and I honestly wish them well. Illinois Freedom Week Starts Today: Federal Court Blocks Enforcement of Illinois Assault Weapons Ban, Michigan Wants to Sue Gun Makers & Sellers for Crimes Committed With Legal Guns While Letting Criminal Go Free, FN America Adding Capacity With a New Facility to be Built in Liberty, South Carolina, http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/marlin-rant-forum/66972-1894c-half-cock-safety-failure-resolved.html, http://www.annoyedman.com/images/marlin336bl/Detail-FrontSite-03.png. It is one of the all-time great deer rifles, and anyone should be proud to own one. The purchase of Marlin Firearms Co. by Remington Arms Co. was finalized in January 2008, and in 2010 Remington relocated Model 336 production from the old Marlin plant in New Haven to Remingtons New York factory. Henrys rifles will not function for SASS style shooting. I mean, how bad do you have to fuck up to make a Rossi look like the better choice? The cartridge uses a slightly shorter, rimmed case to function in lever-action rifles with tubular magazines. When I contacted Remington directly by email with the serial number of my rifle to find out its date of manufacture suspecting that it was an early Remlin I was assured that my rifle was manufactured in late 2016.. SIX YEARS AFTER Remington moved the Marlin plant to its new facility, and TWO YEARS after Remington announced that they had gotten their QC problems under control with the new dimensional drawings and had begun re-releasing other older models. Your integrity would be better served by mentioning Gun Tests (http://www.gun-tests.com/), which goes back a ways, and whose honesty in serving gun owners is beyond reproach. I know that, over the years, the stock is going to get dinged up and the bluing will lose its depth or come off entirely in spots. September 4, 2015 Ive been hearing and reading some nonsense lately about how Remington has worked the bugs out on the Marlin/Remington lever guns (Remlins). What, exactly, did you do AM to let the manufacturer make it right? Thanks. Theres a 45-70 marlin for sale locally. This is due to the danger of the hard, pointed bullet-tip igniting the primer of the round in front of it under recoil impulse. Pointed bullets resting against primers posed a hazard during recoil. After spending some money at the gunsmith to try to get it straightened out, I finally had to send it back. The 338 Marlin Express is the first ever long-range, big game levergun specific cartridge to hit the market, and opens a new class of hunting to the levergun." When they say "based loosely on the .376 Steyr," they mean LOOSELY. Feeding it loosened it up Center, between .308 Winchester(left) and .338 Marlin Express(right) Type Rifle Place of origin USA Production history Designer Marlin/ Hornady Manufacturer Hornady Produced 2007 Specifications Parent case .307 Winchester Case type Semi-rimmed, bottleneck Bullet diameter .308 in (7.8 mm) Neck diameter .344 in (8.7 mm) Shoulder diameter Of henry off his web site the next morning he sent two emails, and had one of his distributor s call my gun guys shop. I paid something over $600 for a substandard rifle whose problems were not apparent until I got it home. Many will call a certain gun a POS even if theyve never owned or shot one. For more than a century, bullets for straight-tube magazines were stuck with blunt, ballistically inefficient noses. Usually I just look for the JM on the barrel. Ever. The .338 Marlin Express is a cartridge developed by Marlin Firearms and Hornady. I am convinced that the lack of popularity and commercial success of the previously mentioned medium bore cartridges is directly attributable to their recoil, which is greater than most shooters are willing to tolerate in a woods rifle of reasonable weight. The craftsmanship is beautiful and it handles big load like Ive never experienced. Don't forget to like, subscribe, friend, and share all my posts. I have owned a few over the years though I never was a huge Marlin fan because it seemed the majority had pistol grips rather than straight stocks on the lever-guns. I had a marlin in .22lr a few years ago, but it didnt function at all, i thought it was just a bad gun, i didnt realize the company had undergone such a drastic reformation. Unfortunately for Marlin, right now Henry occupies the spot that Marlin used to. All RifleShooter subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. My father bought a Winchester 94 in 30-30 when I was kid and after one range session with it he sold it and went back to his old Marlin 336. Its nose extends into the locking slot of the breechbolt. Fender and CBS. It's functioning now but the taste left in my mouth of how bad it was and the grief it caused in the field still remains. Always wanted a Volcanic, would it be plausible to make them in 9mm? Im a retired defense industry engineer and have to agree with you about supplying the drawings. Many of these workers hadnt made the move to Ilion, so much of that inherentknowledge had been lost. Subscriber Services. Manufacturing is different. $2,300 is a bit much for any rifle in that class, truthfully. Its a 2006, JM marked, and I bought it from the original owner. I will never purchase a new Marlin again! On the product side, Marlin reduced its offerings from 29 catalog lever-gun models down to 18 . Eventually the situation was resolved. Any experienced (or green) mechanical engineer or technician could see that this manufacturing move was a Freedom Group cluster XXXX from the start. The plans at NorthHaven had simply been passed down through the generations. was as described and all numbers correct. Your comments about Henry are unfounded and ignorant. I have a 338 Marlin with the well known barrel droop. document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) Copyright Hornady, Privacy Policy | CCPA Request | Accessibility Policy | Terms of Use, Designed and developed by IdeaBank Marketing. Reading this, it appears that the old employees had no dimensional plans as a type of job security. Clearly no one had ever worked this action at the factory or anywhere else until this poor guy got it to the range. Yes, an experienced machinist can make ONE widget with no drawings, by writing his calculations and dimensions on an envelope. Not holding my breath, but hoping. It will complement my Henry BBS .44 magnum carbine, which is the best shooting, finest action rifle I own. My experience is just one of many. My guess is it was a marketing move because it rolled off the tongue a bit easier. Make sure to watch till the end. Only found one used one and it had a big dent and chunk taken out of the feed tube so I passed. Reminds me of several years ago, they had the CEO of Ford on a radio show. I got my first look at a prototype rifle in .338 Marlin Express this past summer in Illinois. |
That far off, a 180-grain .30-06 bullet started at 2,700 fps strikes 21 1/2 inches low. They have no heritage, theyre ugly and they have a stupid loading system. I wonder if it has to do with the fact they are great copy of the savage rifles. Either way, its a great gun. RifleShooter Magazine editor Scott Rupp breaks down all the features of the Mossberg Patriot Predator rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC. Marlin is dead , Kaput. of recoil with a 200 grain bullet would defeat the primary purpose of the cartridge. The serial number on the receiver indicates 2009 year of manufacture. It was going to be a full-blown return authorization, and his tone of voice was like he was doing me a huge favor, and I was a pain in his ass..all this ill-will generated over a $99 part. The fact of the matter is that I got a great 357 magnum/ 38 special rifle for $500. Of stainless steel with a gray laminated stock, it does not wear a scope. with a few imperfections to the fore-end too.What can I do? The trigger pull did not match that of a tuned bolt-gun trigger, but then most bolt-gun triggers are not tuned. Seems they have always had problems with fit and finish, though the older ones are better. Its hard to want to buy a new Marlin knowing that it basically boils down to FG turning a profit by destroying skilled labor and gun manufacturing knowledge. Same goes for Remington. Beginning life as the Model 1893then transitioning through the Model 93, the Model 1936, the Model 36, and eventually settling on the Model 336, Marlins enduring lever action is now 125 years strong. I stopped subscribing to other gun mags because none of the others are impartial exactly because of their advertising. Best case is that the piece ahead of this one had a JM stamp on the barrel. While they lack the primary extraction power of the 98 Mauser and its derivatives, they can bottle 60,000 psi without strain. The .338 Federal drives a 210 grain bullet at a MV of 2630 fps. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Jorge Spat to learn all about it. New design full pistol grip buttstock of genuine American black walnut 'Sure-Grip' semi-beavertail forearm, rounded and nicely shaped, Silver bead front sight dovetailed to the barrel and flat top Rocky Mountain rear sight Overall length: 38 inches. The 21st century lever action. SO PLEASE NEVER BUY ONE OF THESE THINGS. Here's a video review from a guy that says it all. Joseph Von Benedikt shows his custom 500 and how well it shoots. Im pretty sure Henry of today has no connection to Henry of yore, other than making rifles that are cosmetically similar. Maybe Marlin will be motivated to unseat Henry . I would suggest anyone considering buying a new Marlin first check out several recent reports at marlinowners dot com of potential SAFETY problems as well as ongoing cosmetic/function problems with the new Freedom Group Remington/Marlins (Remlins). My Henry .17 Golden Boy is one of the most fun of my 39 guns to shoot, and is deadly accurate. The wood to metal fit was wider than my thumbnail in thickness and the wood was splintered and not finished properly. Unless that happens, no honest person should buy anything from Remington or the Freedom Group dirtbags. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. Now I have to check my Marlin 30.30 to see if its pre Freedom group. "My goal is a cartridge with a flex-tip bullet that performs at .30-06 levels," he said. So is the fit, finish and action as good as a well loved vintage Marlin? I look through two or three new ones at the gun counter and choose the best specimen I can find. Im the lucky owner of a pre-Remlin 1894CL in .32-20 that I had slicked up by a CAS gunsmith. Could this be a sign that theyre back on track and better things are on the way? Their Henry original is the rifle they should have designed in the first place, and Id buy one, but not at $2300. I was sad when I drove by the closed Marlin plant a few years ago. An example of data being processed may be a unique identifier stored in a cookie. Taurus has redesigned this sporting pistol for performance. Henry rifles are not an option. How many parts does an 1894 have? So BULLSHHTTTT to all those liars who making noise about Remington have cleaned up this mess. Remington Premier Ammunition 338 Marlin Express 250 Grain Soft Point Box of 20 Shop All Featured Ammunition Featured Gun Parts Featured Reloading Supplies . Based on the .307 Winchester hull shortened from 2.015 to 1.920, it outperforms not only the .300 Savage but also the .307. Marlin Camp 9mm when will it or something like it come back? I have a Marlin 1881 45-70 made in 1885 full length tube and 2 1895S that were made in the early 1980s and 1 1895 with full tube made around early 2000s. Just as Marlin created a bit of confusion when renaming the Model 1893 four times, so it went when the company decided to call the Model 336 in .45-70 the New Model 1895 in about 1972. I think you reward good products from a company and cut the legs off the rest. Extensive loading data for the .338 Marlin Express is not yet available. :/ ) When FG acquired AAC, they really dicked that company upjust like they did to Remington, and just like they did to Marlin. This possibility was brought to my attention by Guns and Shooting Online reader Jon Huffman. The reason the Remington people now own and manufacture Marlins. I own two Marlins. I dont HAVE to deal with them. This rifle was bought with rough use in mind. I have to say, in the end you guys did the right thing and I love the replacement rifle. In addition, the Model 336 has been chambered in .219 Zipper (19551960), .375 Winchester (19801983), and .450 Marlin (20002009). Copyright 2006 by Chuck Hawks. Since I inspected it at gun shop will they not allow me to return it now? According to the manufacturer, the Marlin 308 and 338 Express models are the only 300-yard chambering available in a traditional, tubular-magazine lever-action rifle. To answer Christines question NO! Sold three 336s due to problems of one sort or another. For the $100 or so difference in price, you get a MUCH better rifle. both of these marlins are great shooters and have no broblems with factory ammo, any kind. There is also lots of information on-line on how to replace/repair this wear part, and of course gunsmiths all know how to replace the worn part. Now some of the decent and knowledgeable help at Dicks will steer away from purchasing a Remlin, but this poor guy got hosed. Just my two cents, ive had two pre buy out guide guns one in 45/70 and one in 450 marlin. . I dont think its old enough. We show you how. Google Marlin front sight issues you get 100s of complaints.. .. Thank you Marlin. Oh, yeah, a company the made the first practical and commercially successful lever-action repeating rifle in 1860 has no heritage. Total POS. Budget Lever-Action Shotgun: Reviewing GForces LVR410. Joseph VonBenedikt is with Joel Hodgdon to talk about the improved accuracy and long-range potential of the already reliable Core-Lokt ammo line. Machines were held together with what amounted to little more than Band-Aids, creating inefficient and costly production processes . I sent it to Ilion The barrel has some Marlin markings on it and the MarlinNorth Haven CT. stamp on the left side of the barrel just below the rear sight. Read them for yourself to judge. Safe to use in tubular magazines, these bullets feature higher ballistic coefficients and deliver dramatically flatter trajectory for increased down range performance. Equipped with a William's receiver sight, the new Marlin in .338 ME handles like a saddle gun. .338 Marlin Express Not since the original .33 WCF did anyone offer a .338 for . This cartridge is conceptually very similar to the .338 O'Connor but, like Winchester, Federal could not resist the temptation to load to maximum pressure to achieve maximum velocity, thus repeating the mistake made with the .358 Win. The latter could be loaded with a 200 grain flex-tip spitzer bullet at maximum pressure to achieve the highest possible velocity. Why would any fire arms company move to New York state with its very anti gun policies! Thankfully, internet gun forums arrived to endthe information blackout. WOW, I went to three different gun stores and handled the model 336. MARLIN IS BACK !!! 11 Image (s) 7619 Winchester 1890 22 short octagon barrel, refurbished. Now that I have made the necessary repairs to the magazine and forend and improved the sights, I have a pretty darn good general purpose truck gun / deer rifle/ hog-slayer / whatever you want to call it. Even put half down at the LGS. It was reintroduced in 2018 and has an MSRP of $999. I'm not sure this new rifle in .338 Marlin Express is necessary. Personally, Id LOVE a SS .41mag levergun, perhaps to compliment a .41 4 5/8 SS Blackhawk, or even a Vaquero. From time to time weve had glimpses of the doofuses (doofi?) Dont ask me how this came about, but the foreign country didnt have authorization to produce our design even though they had the manufacturing drawings. Who let this clown get away with making this kind of statement?!?! I did not accept the gun, and did not fill out any legal paperwork. A few years later Winchester introduced the .358 Winchester on a necked-up .308 case, but loaded it to a maximum average pressure (MAP) of 52,000 cup in order to duplicate the performance of the earlier .348 Win. Notify Me When Available. We and our partners use data for Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Good job! This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Having just purchased a new to me but manufactured pre sale of the company Marlin lever gun (45/70), I can tell you that the newly manufactured lever guns receive almost nothing but horrible reviews (invloving both quality control, and customer service or lack thereof). Considering that the Model 1893 action was sized for the .30-30 and other cartridges of that length and diameter, Marlin engineers did an excellent job of modifying the Model 336 to handle the .45-70. My second Model 336 was the Texan with a straight-grip stock, which was the standard version. Additionally (concerning something arises), although it is a myth that the .30-30 design started life as a black powder cartridge, it can be used with black powder if necessary, unlike most more modern bottleneck cased cartridges, while still retaining sufficient lethality. Today everyone wants things to happen by next week. Ive recently bought a Marlin and two Henrys. It is a very well made rifle. A rifle version added inches and ounces. YMMV. A 19 year-old mechanical or industrial technician in his first year or an Associates Degree program knows this after taking his first engineering drawing class. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The .308 Marlin Express appeared three years ago. Its been great on three deer so far. Harley and AMF. View Data View Sold Perhaps they are indeed back and really focusing on quality once again. Ill let you all know how it goes. Robert Farago is the former publisher of The Truth About Guns (TTAG). Once the machines are set up, and you know the dimensions of your cutters/tooling and you replace your tooling when it is worn, you get the dimensions you need out of the far end of the line, regardless of whether or not you have a drawing. Who knew wild turkey's were so stupid!? That gets a bit tougher. There are other fish in the sea, making products just as good or better, who at least dont treat their customer base like they dont know what theyre doing. The company is also introducing a Limited Edition series, with the first rifle being a 336 Limited featuring a high-grade walnut stock, high-polish blued metal with some light scroll engraving, and the . Marlin rifles chambered for the fine .444 were named the Model 444. Let's review what makes this soft-shooting carry gun so special. The .338 Marlin Express is Hornady's newest cartridge in a dizzying flurry of new cartridges, but it is not the most powerful one ever chambered in a lever-action rifle. Today I went to the range to tune in a new Skinnner peep sight on my Real actual Marlin 30-30. I dont care. The bolt was smooth, trigger about 5lbs (a little heavy for a Marlin, but not bad at all.) Truly the ultimate choice for big game out to long range, it's the latest ballistic achievement . Several loads shot inside 2.0 inches at 100 yards, and Hornadys Full Boar ammo loaded with the 140-grain MonoFlex bullet averaged 1.42 inches at 100 yards at an average velocity of 2,527 fps, which was 61 fps faster than its billing. No. A standard velocity (or "controlled recoil") load using a 200 grain Hornady FP (BC .200) at a MV of 2400 fps has muzzle energy (ME) of 2558 ft. lbs. I am happy with the rifles I have and would recommend the Marlin ones from at least 2019 when I got mine. Im happy that Remington has kept the Model 336 alive. The Lewis Hepburn-designed Model 1893 breech-locking system has remained the same to this day, and while its quite simple, not all current Model 336 owners understand its operation. Shooting is near end. It covers the niche left by the semi-moribund (but excellent) .358 Winchester and covers it a bit better in the opinion of many who've used both. It had a problem with the half-cock safety. Since my season with a Marlin .30-30 a few years ago, I've added several lever-action rifles to my rack. service@guns.com For those of you who want a good lever action, just log-on to GunBroker and you can find a lot of the older models looking for a new home. How hard can it be to make a slightly more pliant spring? "Powders we developed specifically for LEVERevolution cartridges are not yet available in canisters for handloaders," Dave emphasizes. It required moving equipment, setting it up in a new location, and training people to build these rifles. TOTALLY AGREE WITH ANNOYED MAN 8/23/18 I purchased a Remlin Cowboy 1894 in .45 Colt mid-July. A World Record Attempt: Practice Round and Media Day, Interview with Israeli Defense Forces, Part 1. Recoil was stiffer than that of my .308 ME. The wood is drop-dead gorgeous. In 1948 the name was changed a final time to Model 336, and with it came a trigger stop pin that prevents the trigger from being squeezed until the lever is completely closed. It shouldnt surprise anyone that pistol caliber lever action carbines are dying off. product with defect made it into customers hands). But with about 250 rounds through it and a switch to Tetra grease on the bolt and hammer, it is significantly smoother than new. Several trips over a couple of months punctuated by very careful filing of the extractor and testing at the range before it was working 100% with all ammo types. I Mean, Well See unfired Marlin 1894 whose stock split in half, CT Police Dropped the Ball in Murder/Suicide. It is chambered in Marlin's Model 338MX and 338MXLR rifles using the Marlin Model 336 action. In the old days, it was not uncommon to see a Model 336 in a saddle scabbard out West, but more were carried by easterners for woods hunting, and they were quite happy with the .30-30 and other close-range cartridges. It is all around just a way better rifle to the 336BL. Id be concerned about safety. Glad I looked here before buying one-which I almost did today. Their lawyers sent me a letter and a check for a full refund rather than fix it. I have no complaints at all. But as it left the factory, it was a gun that left a LOT to be desired, and I can only assume that their QC guy had had a large liquid lunch before checking the batch of rifles that included mine, and he was too drunk to give a crap. The 338MXLR features a rubber rifle butt pad, and employs an adjustable folding rear sight with a front sight brass bead and Wide-Scan brand hood. BTW, mine actually shoots just fine, and Ive NEVER complained about that. Zeroed 3.0 inches high at 100 yards, it was dead-on at 200 yards. Personally, I would only buy an older used Marlin gun that can be checked out in person, at least until there are reports of significant changes at Freedom Group. Marlins USED to be like that. I put it back in the box, paid, and left. Old machines well maintained are also not a problem. I would guess the trigger pull to be about 8 lbs. The deluxe version of the Texan has a fancy walnut stock, machine-cut engraving, and a gold-colored trigger. Everything considered, his rifle is as good as the Model 336 has ever been. So, in terms of killing power, the .338 Marlin Express is a 200 yard elk cartridge and a 300 yard deer cartridge with the Hornady 200 grain flat point bullet at a MV of 2400 fps. Im an old man too. Is the action as buttery as my Dads Marlin .35 Remington or Winchester 92? It is because I trust a receiver made 50-100 years ago more than I trust recent commercial production. I dont trust any Cerberus-owned company to make a decent product. Still, it didn't rattle my teeth, even in prone position with my collarbone hard against the butt. In .30-30, .32 Special and .308 ME, Marlins firing red-tipped bullets have taken three six-point elk. It became required to open boxes outside the presence of the customers for fear of what you would find. Rather than send me a 29 pin (which I even volunteered to pay for, even though the can was still under warranty), and letting me fix my suppressor on my own, I had to do the old Return Authorization, with a copy of my stamp, etc., and the turn around would be 2 weeks. Otherwise our weapons wouldnt have worked then and we would have lost the War. I am looking at an 1895G. They got back to me 2 weeks ago, saying my rifle could not be repaired and they would sent a new one. Obviously, most contemporary Americans have forgotten that .30/30 is a great cartridge that falls ballisticaly somewhere between .308 and 7.6239, and it is a viable choice for either general purpose/hunting use, or even as a something arises cartridge. O'Connor had done a series of brush penetration tests and discovered that the .348 Winchester performed well, but kicked pretty hard for a deer cartridge. Hulls flew smartly from the port. The patented Flex Tip technology of the FTX and MonoFlex bullets provide higher ballistic coefficients and velocity increases of up to 250 fps over traditional flat point loads while still providing shock-absorbing safety in tubular magazines. The machine operators at each station have a limited set of instructions and moves they make on the machine. Ill never by a new one. What can Marlin do with the returned QA rejects? But the old ones went from 250 to 500 after freedom grope dicked them up. Gain a deep knowledge of ballistic science and access our improved ballistic calculator. 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 6.5 PRC: Which is Better? Great knock down power. 100% made in the USA and a beautiful rifle that run about $700 NIB. But it did apply to the system we were delivering. Why? I dont know if they were a closeout deal or what, but they were discounted reasonably (by Cabelas standards). I paid 900 bucks last year. functions properly. I have one Marlin, a 795, great little rifle, manufactured long before the move. . This was not my first bad experience with AAC the first being when the ratchet on that suppressor flew off while shooting it in a rural environment, which fortunately did not result in a baffle strike. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. The second one was purchased when Freedom Group/Remington Only action dimensions limit the 99 to short, rimless rounds. You can see from that picture that the magazine tube stud was severely misaligned with the barrel, sticking way out on one side. However, for 2006 Federal Cartridge announced the introduction of their .338 Federal, based on the .308 Winchester case necked up to accept .338" diameter bullets. It would certainly sell.
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